thomas the apostle who came and preached in india and in the very city that i come from. that is where we have a big cathedral for him. that is the place where tradition holds that he was martyred. he preached in that area. >> there aren't many catholics in india proportionately, correct? how many total? >> catholics would be about 1.75% of the total population which would be about 25 million people. >> okay. that would be total catholics. i see. so that's a relatively small group in this country really dominated by hinduism. >> and muslims. there is about 15% of the population muslim. >> didn't all the muslims after the english left go to pakistan? >> they did, some of them. when the partition took place in 1947, some of the muslims from india moved to pakistan. some of the hindus who were living in those areas moved back to india which caused a lot of blood shed. >> so there is still a lot of blood shed and still problems there. we're going to talk more about india. of course we also want to really single out gandy which we'll do after this break. >> welcome back to mos